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[Smalto]

Ok I'm gonna make a fotm warrior to play with my buddy part-time. He's playing a Druid. Having not played a Warrior, I'm curious on how to spec him up while leveling. I came up with something like this, but I'm not sure how well it will do. Now this is just for questing, instances, pve, etc. I need a real Warrior to reply, so Espi ignore this post. Thanks Az.


Arms Talents (21 points)


Improved Rend - 3/3 points
Increases the bleed damage done by your Rend ability by 35%.


Deflection - 5/5 points
Increases your Parry chance by 5%.


Tactical Mastery - 5/5 points
You retain up to 25 of your rage points when you change stances.


Anger Management - 1/1 point
Increases the time required for your Rage to decay while out of combat by 30%.


Deep Wounds - 3/3 points
Your critical strikes cause the opponent to bleed, dealing 60% of your melee weapon's average damage over 12 seconds.


Improved Overpower - 2/2 points
Increases the critical strike chance of your Overpower ability by 50%.


Impale - 2/2 points
Increases the critical strike damage done by your abilities in Battle, Defensive, and Berserker stance by 20%.



Fury Talents (11 points)


Cruelty - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with melee weapons by 5%.


Improved Demoralizing Shout - 5/5 points
Increases the attack power reduction of your Demoralizing Shout by 25%.


Piercing Howl - 1/1 point
Causes all enemies near the warrior to be dazed for 6 seconds.



Protection Talents (19 points)


Shield Specialization - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to block attacks with a shield by 5%.


Toughness - 5/5 points
Increases your armor value from items by 10%.


Improved Shield Block - 3/3 points
Allows your Shield Block ability to block an additional attack, and increases the duration by 2 seconds.


Improved Revenge - 3/3 points
Gives your Revenge ability a 40% chance to stun the target for 3 seconds.


Improved Sunder Armor - 3/3 points
Increases the armor reduction of your Sunder Armor by 30%.

[saeth1]

you're alliance, and asking horde for advice to make a character?

um....save your talent points, so you don't have to worry about buying a respec!
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[Jesiah The Messiah]

Level up as arms/fury. A warrior who doesn't have MS makes me giggle.

[Smalto]

Saeth, I'm not asking "Horde" for advice. I'm asking Borsians. No matter which side of the coin we're on, I trust the advice of a Bors player over any random VN or WoW Forum idiot.

Should I go to Mortal Strike like right away while PvE'ing? I thought maybe some protection might be good, but in hindsight with having a druid duo it may just slow us down.

[Azaradi]

Well Smalto, couple of questions for ya. What do you find fun? Do you like to DW, or have a slow attack but a massive attack? When I started my warrior, I had this mindset that I'm a warrior I should be a tank! So, my entire leveling process until level 59 (take a deap breath before you read on) I was speced protection, lololol. So I completely hindered myself leveling. You don't need any points in protection it will on hurt you.

Leveling up I loved to DW, I liked that fast pace attacking, and some would say then you should go mainly fury. However, in hindseight the best way to level I feel for a warrior is to do what Jesiah said, go Mortal strike. If you like to DW, you can dw then whenever an overpower or MS is ready switch to your 2handed axe and use the skill then switch back to DW. Thats what I do even now with my MS spec in PvP, and definitely in PvE. I have macros setup that switch my weapons when I go to MS or overpower then switch them back. Very fast, and takes like a second. The spec I would suggest for you to level with would be:

Arms Talents (31 points)


Improved Rend - 3/3 points
Increases the bleed damage done by your Rend ability by 35%.


Deflection - 2/5 points
Increases your Parry chance by 2%.


Tactical Mastery - 5/5 points
You retain up to 25 of your rage points when you change stances.


Improved Charge - 2/2 points
Increases the rage generated by your Charge ability by 6.


Improved Overpower - 2/2 points
Increases the critical strike chance of your Overpower ability by 50%.


Deep Wounds - 3/3 points
Your critical strikes cause the opponent to bleed, dealing 60% of your melee weapon's average damage over 12 seconds.


Impale - 2/2 points
Increases the critical strike damage done by your abilities in Battle, Defensive, and Berserker stance by 20%.


Two-Handed Weapon Specialization - 5/5 points
Increases the damage you deal with two-handed weapons melee weapons by 5%.


Axe Specialization - 5/5 points (Or whatever you like the most for weapon spec)
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Axes by 5%.


Sweeping Strikes - 1/1 point
You next 5 melee weapon swings strike an additional nearby opponent.


Mortal Strike - 1/1 point
A vicious strike that deals 200% weapon damage and wounds the target, reducing the effectiveness of any healing by 50% for 10 seconds.




Fury Talents (20 points)


Cruelty - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with melee weapons by 5%.


Improved Demoralizing Shout - 5/5 points
Increases the attack power reduction of your Demoralizing Shout by 25%.


Piercing Howl - 1/1 point
Causes all enemies near the warrior to be dazed for 6 seconds.


Improved Battle Shout - 4/5 points
Increases the Attack Power bonus of your Battle Shout by 20%.


Enrage - 5/5 points
Gives you a 40% melee damage bonus for 4 swings any time you are the victim of a critical strike.




Protection Talents (0 points)


None


I would do cruelty as your first 5 talent points, and then as fast as possible work your way to MS. Then go back and fill in the rest of the talents I said here after you have MS. The overpower +crit % might be worth getting initially also. Anyways hope that helps, and whatever you do drop the prot spec!!!!!

[Xamtrov]

I'm a protection spec warrior on Darkspear, so I figure I should offer the "other side."

Protection spec warriors are a group's best asset. They can take more damage than any class in the game (including MS/Fury spec warriors). Solo...well...they aren't as ideal. It takes forever to kill things. Sure I can tank stuff 3+ levels above me (inefficient) and wind up with more HP than a MS warrior, but it takes much longer (but still not as long as a paladin). And yes, in pvp protect spec is good for just peeling off the priest for a little while (gogo concussive blow 5s stun).

That being said, your first 11 talent points absolutely, positively must go to get Tactical mastery 5 and Anger Management 1. How you spend the first 5 points is completely up to you, but the next six need to go to the above skills. Stance-dancing will save you and your group's life and make you able to inflict more damage (defense-dodge-arms-overpower, and switch from defense to fury in order to execute). I went parry 2 and rend 3, but in hindsight I might should have gone parry 5 since parry is 100% damage mitigation.

Am I going to stay protection forever? Hell no. I'm going MS/fury FOTM build soon as I get some decent equipment at 60 from a few raids. MS/Fury is the best PVP build and very good off-tank build in PVE.

But don't let anyone tell you protect spec "sucks." It doesn't, and is destined for a few improvements. If an MS/Fury tank laughs at you for going protection, ask him the last time he 3-manned BRD.

p.s. - There's a new warrior on Stormreaver. His name is "Vort."

[Azaradi]

Ok so let me reply to Xam:) Anger Management is useless. That extra time doesn't do anything, and it's a waste of a talent point You don't decay rage THAT fast as it is, and well I never found ti usefull in any circumstance. He is right about the tactical mastery though, you do want to get it asap after cruelty. Parry 3 more % is worthless so dont put 5 points into parry, 3% better chane isn't that big of a deal when you don't have a high parry chance anyways. Prot warriors def do not suck for tanking, and group PvE. In PvP they are gimp as all hell, and as well with soloing and leveling. Protection is not the way to go for you to level up.

[Xamtrov]

My point is that protection doesn't suck if used in the manner it appears designed for (pure tank, main tank on raids).

That being said, MS/Fury is definitely a good spec for general PVE and duo'ing with a partner on basic quests. Most of instances is peeling and knowing what skills to use when. You can tank single-group instances just fine with MS/Fury, and you'll make an excellent off-tank in raids. Just don't forget to have a shield handy and use the shield block skill when tanking. It mitigates a lot of damage, allowing your healers to have more mana for emergencies.
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[Azaradi]

Yep, and shield block also generates more agro.

[Xamtrov]

Actually it's shield bash.

My main taunt process is this:
(main target)Charge, thunderclap
Defensive stance
Demoralizing shout, rend, sunder
(target add) rend, sunder (repeat on each add)
(main target) block, sunder, revenge, sunder (repeat)
(peel) taunt, sunder, bash (back to main target)
(on dodge)Arms stance, overpower, Defensive stance (really helps to have a weapon changer to a 2h for overpower here )

Btw, I've never bought the final protection skill. Didn't seem worth it.

edit: Changed berserker to arms; silly me was thinking execute (I have a 57 warrior...I know how to play...really I do).
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"Nim makes me frustrated about my warrior 'cause he does such a good job. I just die." - Windsamu

[Drayon]

Ahh yes, warrior spec.... go Arms, but get 5 points in cruelty first. DW is useless unless you like to wtf pwn greens. If you are fighting similar level (aka yellow) or OJ, you will wiff like no tomorrow. 2h you barely ever miss. DW is ok at 60 when you're geared out, but it is definitely situational. This was all about PvE, not PvP.

But personally, you suck regardless of what spec you go Smalto, so it won't really make a difference.
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[Azaradi]

Xam just so you know overpower is a Battle Stance only, can't use it in beserker. Also not sure what you meant about it's shield bash actually? Yea shield bash causes aggro too, but so does shield block:)

[sleepy]

Xam hax!!
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[Xamtrov]

[Smalto]

Awesome guys, thanks for the advice. Should be fun trying a new class out for a bit. Thanks again guys.